This Renovated $15K House Sells for 600% Profit: Expert Reacts
TLDRAn HGTV couple flipped a 15K house and sold it for 90K. Looks like a home run. When you back out labor they did themselves, unpaid contractor time, and opportunity cost on their cash, they actually made around 5,500 a month each. It is a hobby, not a business. Here is why the difference matters.
Table of Contents
- First Impressions of the Front
- Why “Nice Finishes Already Done” Can Be a Trap
- Plumbing, Floors, and Attic Red Flags
- The Math on a 15K Buy and 90K Sale
- Why Pinterest Flipping Is a Hobby, Not a Business
- When DIY Flipping Actually Makes Sense
- Flippers Do Not Cause Gentrification
- FAQ
- Related
First Impressions of the Front
I watched an HGTV video where the couple bought a corner house for 15,000 and sold it for over 90,000 after renovation. Pretty sweet margin on paper. Let me walk through what I saw on the outside first.
The siding looks great. New roof. New windows. So somebody probably started a renovation here and abandoned it.
First things I ask looking at the exterior: is any of that asbestos siding? Asbestos is not a bad thing on its own. The rule is you do not disrupt it. A lot of times people put white vinyl siding on the sides and the back right over the asbestos. That way you do not disrupt it. Putting a nail through it is not necessarily disrupting it.
For 15K, you would usually expect the house to have a front door at the very least. That is a red flag until you know the neighborhood. A 15K house in a rundown market might actually be a lot. There are houses I have turned down at zero dollars because the neighborhood was that bad. Location matters more than price.
Why “Nice Finishes Already Done” Can Be a Trap
Inside, this is way further along than you would expect for 15K. Looks like someone got caught up in renovation, ran out of money, and listed it.
Big living room. New electrical. New windows. Drywall up. White box look.
Just because there is new drywall on the walls and new wires you can see does not mean the work behind those walls is right. In fact when you see a house selling like this, they probably ran out of money or they hired contractors who did not pull permits. They got to the point where drywall is on when the city wants to come inspect, and you have to tear all the drywall off. I have been in that situation. All the electrical was done wrong. Had to redo it all. Costly mistake.
I have bought houses where new drywall was up, paint everything looked great, and found out no inspections had been done and there was no insulation behind the walls. You cannot just trust what you see. If the seller cannot produce permits and inspections, assume the worst and budget accordingly.
Plumbing, Floors, and Attic Red Flags
Bathroom is spacious, new plumbing, cute little arch. The plumbing supply lines are coming in from the floor. Sometimes in really cold areas that is a problem. Water lines run plainly in the crawl space freeze. I also see supply lines close to exterior walls. You do not want those in an exterior wall. They freeze too.
Stairs are straight and sturdy. A huge bedroom upstairs. Nice for a cheap house.
Shaping of the upstairs ceiling tells you the roof is just on the other side of that drywall. A lot of times people hang drywall right on the bottom of the roof joists without proper insulation. Even if they get proper insulation, they might not get proper venting. In a normal attic you have intake in the soffits and outtake at the ridge or roof venting. Air has to move. If it cannot, you get mold and mildew and all kinds of issues.
When I see finished attic spaces like this, I always ask about insulation and venting. If they got inspections, probably fine. If they did not, you inherit the problem.
When a deal looks too good to be true, usually it is. Inherited renovations without permits are where the “deal” hides the bill.
The Math on a 15K Buy and 90K Sale
The couple estimated about 30,000 to finish it. Let me walk through what a flipper would actually pay for that work.
Mechanical, electrical, plumbing on a house that size would run about 7,500 for plumbing, 7,500 to 10,000 for electrical. Drywall on a house that size with the upstairs finished would be an 8,000 or 9,000 job. Depends on area and square footage. They saved a big chunk of money because that was already done.
They sold at 75 dollars a square foot. That is super cheap. Tells you it is not a great area. My general rule: if houses are not selling for close to 200 a foot, I am not trying to flip there. Maybe 150 a foot for a specific strategy. Anything below that, the cost to renovate eats the margin. At 75 a foot, finishing a house nicely does not make sense financially.
The couple did the work themselves. Let me show you the actual math assuming they got lucky with plumbing and electric already being good.
| Line Item | Amount |
|---|---|
| Sale price | 90,000 |
| Acquisition + closing costs | 16,000 |
| Renovation material | 30,000 |
| Opportunity cost on 46K tied up at 8% for 6 months | 1,840 |
| Real estate agent and [[closing costs | closing costs]] at 8% |
| [[insurance | Insurance]], utilities, taxes, holding (conservative) |
| Left over | ~33,000 |
That 33,000 is what they cleared as a margin. Call it 3 months of renovation, then holding and sale time. Between two people, divided by the total project window, that works out to about 5,500 a month per person. They were both the contractor, both the investor, both the designer, both the crew.
If they had paid themselves as contractors, that 5,500 a month is what they should have earned as a contractor. There is no investor profit on top of that. They did not actually make money as investors. They made money as contractors who happened to invest their labor for free.
Common MistakeA lot of DIY flippers think their flip made a profit. It did not. The money they made is contractor wages they would have had to pay a contractor anyway. Once you pay yourself fair contractor wages out of the project, the actual flip profit is often zero or negative. That is the real check.
Why Pinterest Flipping Is a Hobby, Not a Business
The couple had a Pinterest mood board. Herringbone butcher block countertops. Terracotta backsplash. Custom wood panel cabinet doors. Handmade sliding doors on individual cabinet fronts.
This is like Pinterest mood board work you would expect on a higher end house. Not a 90K resale.
Do not get me wrong. The work is beautiful. The cabinets are going to be a pain to clean, as a few commenters pointed out, but they look like custom art pieces. Creative stuff.
The problem is the business model. Doing all the work yourself to make a property that art gallery nice, in a market where the ceiling is 90K, means you are basically running a boutique construction company that pays its own wages and calls it investing.
Back to the scale of livability picture. These guys took a house right around the barely bankable line and brought it just to the bottom of the range of comps. They did not push it past the range of comps. That is the right move. But the way they spent their time to get there is the hobby part. Every hour of custom woodwork on cabinet doors is an hour they could have spent hiring a crew and flipping the next house.
If you want the business version, you are paying contractors and you are buying next month’s deal while they work. If you want the hobby version, you are painting cabinet doors yourself. Know which one you are doing.
When DIY Flipping Actually Makes Sense
Even with all that, DIY flipping is not worthless. Here is when it makes sense.
You are starting out. You do not have contractor relationships yet. You do not have a stable of allarounders. You can build both over a couple of DIY projects.
You have construction skills already. You are a carpenter, a contractor, or someone who can do the trades yourself. You earn contractor wages, which is still good money.
You want forced savings. DIY flipping is a forced savings account. You do not get paid every two weeks. You get a lump sum at the end. Most people who get paid every two weeks watch it vanish. A lump sum at the end of a project is a foothold for the next investment.
You want to learn construction. Living on a project site teaches you things no bigger pockets video can. You learn how every trade handles a job. You spot lazy work faster. You become a better investor by being a worse paid contractor for a while.
That said, the goal is to graduate out of DIY as fast as you can. Use the lump sum cash to fund the next deal where you pay contractors and keep buying.
Flippers Do Not Cause Gentrification
One commenter on the video accused flippers of gentrifying neighborhoods. This is wrong.
A flipper takes a house that sold at the bottom of the range of comps range, nobody else wanted to buy, and they renovate it up to where the other livable houses in the neighborhood already are. They are not pushing the range of comps higher. They are filling in the low end.
What pushes a neighborhood up is when developers come in, buy big swaths of land, and build luxury housing. That is gentrification.
Flippers are a necessary part of a community. Otherwise houses sit vacant, get squatted in, kids get hurt playing in them, neighborhoods decline. Bringing a house back into the range of comps keeps the block intact.
And the “why are your flips always gray and white” argument? Systems. These guys who do it at scale buy paint, floors, and fixtures in bulk. Like Costco. Volume gets discount. That is how you keep the house affordable to the buyer. Custom terracotta backsplashes do not scale. Gray floors and white paint do.
FAQ
Should I pay myself as a contractor when I DIY flip?
At least mentally. Even if the money never leaves the project, value your time at contractor wages when you calculate the flip profit. That is the only way to know if the flip actually made money or if you just earned contractor wages in a slow way.
Is 75 dollars a square foot really too cheap for a flip?
For full rehab and retail finishes, yes. At that price point the cost to bring a house to the range of comps often exceeds the margin. Some strategies work below 75 a foot, like buying bombed out and flipping to another flipper. Full rehab to retail does not.
Are HGTV shows lying about the numbers?
Not lying exactly. They leave out the contractor labor value that their hosts provide for free. And sometimes the houses do not actually sell at the list price. The business model of the show is to make money on ads and sponsorships, not on the flip.
What is the fastest way to go from DIY to paid contractors?
Get three or four DIY flips done. Save the lump sums. On the fourth flip, keep doing the easy stuff yourself and hire one allarounder for the hard stuff. By flip five or six, you hire the full scope and invest your time in finding the next deal instead of swinging a hammer.
Would I flip in a 90K market?
Probably not at full retail. Maybe flip to the flipper, where I buy a bombed out and sell a livable house to someone else who finishes it. The margin at 75 a foot does not leave enough room for my kind of business. It works as a hobby or a DIY training ground.